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I think I ran into a fake service dog.
Don’t service animals need to be certified? They should be. People who have them should be required to carry something like a doctor’s note or license that gives them the okay to have one.
On a side note, I know a lady with MS who has trained several service dogs, and the one she kept for herself is a standard poodle, which is pretty much the same size as a Doberman. But he is very well behaved, at least.
From what I understand when I looked up the vests, anyone can pretty much get a vest and ‘papers’ for their dog/cat/etc online without training or certification and that anyone can claim to be a trainer (probably to keep people from asking questions or as a ‘gotcha’ to silence people, even if it weren’t illegal to ask).
It seems like quite a problem right now because it causes issues for those who have legit papers and certification. If I hadn’t seen how service dogs are supposed to act IRL, I wouldn’t have known that the dog wasn’t a legit Service Dog. I’m not a professional but I know the basic actions of one through the kind people who own them. Service dogs are not supposed to lunge at people out of nowhere or try to drag their owners. I’ve found a case where a fake service dog attacked a legit one and the police can’t do anything about it due to the laws put in place to protect those with legit service dogs.
Fake service dogs are giving real ones a bad name as all the owner has to do is flash fake paperwork if asked in order to keep their dog in places they normally wouldn’t take it. It would be illegal under Federal Law for someone to turn down a service animal as only a judge has the right to ask it to perform duties it had been taught. You’re not allowed to ask for proof of training or identification. Now, if my manager had seen the way this particular dog was acting, we would have had the right to ask him to leave. Politely, of course.
However, it looks like some states are trying to cut down on frauds who do this, probably because of non-service animal behavior in public. People are just throwing vests onto untrained animals and printing out fake certification in order to have their animals with them in places pets are not allowed. It’s like if I were to get a vest for Sofia or Asha and take them places they don’t belong under the guise of being service animals when they are neither. They’re my and my roomie’s therapy animals only when we get home.
I’ve never seen them any bigger than a golden retriever here. That’s pretty cool that the larger breeds can be used. I would imagine it would be harder to transport them.
There seems to be some misinformation here that I’d like to clear up.
First: it shouldn’t be up to abled people and non-service dog handlers to discuss whether or not service dogs should be registered or certified. It’s an ongoing discussion in the community. I, personally, say no. For many reasons, but particularly because it would undoubtably cost money and the cost and upkeep of service dogs is already taxing enough on disabled people, a huge amount of whom already struggle to find jobs and make money.
Second, most Standard poodles probably shouldn’t be the same size as doberman. Just saying.
I’d also generally ask you to refrain from speculating whether a service dog is fake. My dog is in training. Today, we were practicing hands free walking in the grocery store. He didn’t have anything that marked him as a service dog (it’s not required); he was only wearing his black mobility harness. He stepped out of place at my side and wagged his tail while we were turning down an aisle because a kid passed us and was talking loudly. By the time I realized what he was doing, he had already fixed himself; this is a good reaction. He’s not perfect and he’ll never be but the fact that he’s gotten far enough to correct himself without me having to do so makes me proud of him. I praised him for doing that. If you had only seen him step out of line and wag his tail, you may have said he’s a fake service dog.
It’s embarrassing, when your dog misbehaves. I get embarrassed when he puts even a toe out of line because I know that’s not what he should be doing. I would be mortified if someone ever made a post like this about us.
There is no federally recognized paper, certification, or vest. There are some that exist through states, counties, colleges, and service dog programs that are legit, but not federally binding.
While there are fakes that attack service dogs and it’s very unfortunate and needs to stop, it’s not true that there’s nothing the owner could do legally in that case. It’s in California, and there’s a penalty against injuring a service dog on the job in California. Service dog handlers should always know their states rights along with their federal ones.
While only a judge can ask what specifically the tasks a service dog is trained in are for (basically forcing the handler and disabled person to expose medical history), it’s not true public entities cannot ask about their duties. It’s one of the two questions public entities (store staff, basically) can ask: 1. Is that a service animal/dog?; 2. What tasks is the service animal/dog trained to preform?
You are only allowed to ask a service dog to leave your business if the dog 1) fundamentally alters your work (rare), 2) if the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it, and 3) if the dog is not housebroken.
Any breed of dog can be used; the only effect this may have is not on public access but on housing. But that is also rare. Miniature horses can also be used as service animals in some circumstances as well.